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op 17 Mar 2004 14:31:07 schreef Roodkapje:
Kijk nu zijn we ergens...
Ik zie dopen helemaal los van de verbondsgedachte. Ik vind dat het onderwerp zo diffuus en onduidelijk is dat je mensen niet een bepaalde vorm van dopen mag opdringen. Dan doe je namelijk alsof het wèl duidelijk is.
Als mensen hun kinderen willen laten dopen, prima. Als mensen zich pas op volwassen leeftijd willen laten dopen, ook prima.
De vorm doet er niet toe: onderdompeling of besprenkeling maakt niet uit.
Zo zie ik het.
Wat het woord dopen in de grondtekst betreft:
Uit Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words/ by W.E. Vine.
Baptizö, to baptize, primarily a frequentative form of
baptö,.....to dip, was used ampong the Greeks to signify the dyeing of a garment, or the drawing og water by dipping a vessel into another, etc. Plutarchus uses it of the drawing of wine by dipping the cup into the bowl (Alexis, 67)
It is used in the N.T. in Luke 11: 38 of washing oneself (as in 2 Kings 5: 14, 'dipped himsellf,"); see also Isa. 21: 4, lit., 'lawlessness overwelms me'. In the early chapters of the four Gospels and in Acts 1:5; 11: 16; 19:4, it is used of the rite performed by John the Baptist who called upon the people to repent that they might receive remission of sins. Those who obeyed came 'confessing their sins", thus acknowledging their unfitness to be in the Messiah's coming kingdom.
Distinct from this is the baptism enjoined by Christ, Matt.28:19, a baptism to be undergone by believers, thus witnessing to their identification with Him in death, burial and resurrection, e.g. Acts 19: 5; Rom. 6: 3,4; 1 Cor. 1: 13-17; 12: 13; Gal.3: 27; Col. 2: 12.
The phrase in Matt. 28:19, 'baptizing them into the Name (R.V..; cp. Acts 8: 16, R.V.), would indicate that the baptized person was closely bouned to, or became the property of, the one into whose Name he was baptized.
In Acts 22: 16 it is used in the Middle Voice, in the command given to Saul of Tarsus, "arise and be baptized," the significance of the Middle Voice form being ‘get thyself baptized’. The experience of those who were in the ark at the time of the Flood was a figure of type of the facts of spiritual death, burial and resurrection, Christian baptism being an
antitupon ‘a corresponding type,” a “like figure,” 1 Petr. 3:21.
Like wise the nation of Israel was figuratively baptized when made to pass the Red Sesa under the cloud, 1 Cor. 10: 2.
The verb is used metaphorically also in two distinct senses:
firstly, of baptism by the Holy Spirit, wich took place on the day of Pentecost;
secondly, of the camality wich would come upon the nation of the Jews, a baptism of the fire of the Divine judgement for rejection of the will and the word of God. Matt. 3: 11; Luke 3: 16.
Einde citaat.
Wat de vorm betreft en wanneer je gedoopt moet worden; je lijkt me hier wel
heel gemakkelijk in.
Kinderdoop kom ik sowieso niet tegen. Wel huisgezinnendoop waar
eventueel kleine kinderen bij zijn. Dit kan echter niet pleiten voor
besprenkeling. Daar wordt in de hele bijbel niet over gepraat….
Volgens mij ben jij alleen in naam vrijgemaakt...
, maar dat terzijde….
